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'The collection belongs to everyone'

Interview with Sandra Kisters, head of Collections and Research Museum Boijmans Van Beuningen.

Sandra Kisters, head of Collections and Research in Museum Boijmans Van Beuningen, explains what makes the collection so unique and valuable. And why it's important that the depot is open to the general public.

'The idea behind our new depot is that we want to show the whole collection and are able to do so.'

Sandra Kisters, head of Collections and Research Museum Boijmans Van Beuningen

Not everyone knows what the head of Collections and Research does. Can you tell us something about it? 

I'm responsible for looking after the museum's complete collection. This involves a variety of matters, including loans. More than 550 works a year travel to exhibitions in the Netherlands and abroad. Obviously, it’s vital to conserve the art properly, including storage in museum-quality climate-controlled storage facilities. I’m also involved in researching the collection, restoration activities and acquiring new works. 

Before we discuss the new depot in greater depth, what makes the Museum Boijmans Van Beuningen collection so special?

It’s incredibly diverse. The objects range from paintings to sculptures, from photography to video art, and they were made over many centuries. This collection is unique in the Netherlands because of its broad scope, great diversity and enviable international reputation. The quality of our collection of paintings from the Dutch Golden Age is on a par with the holdings of the Mauritshuis or the Rijksmuseum. Our collection of old master prints and drawings stands comparison with Teylers Museum and the Rijksmuseum. Similarly, our portfolio of modern art can hold its own when compared with the collections of the Stedelijk Museum and the Gemeentemuseum Den Haag. We furthermore have a stunning collection of decorative art and design.

Turning to the depot, what’s your role in its implementation?

As head of collections I’m closely involved in the depot’s development as well as its fixtures and fittings. I’m supervising preparations for relocation of the 154,000 objects in the art collection. They will be moved from the current five external locations to the new depot. There will be eleven compartments in the depot equipped with shelves and racks for all those diverse works. I’m also involved in the fixtures, fittings and activity schedule of the four new conservation and restoration workshops. The scope of my involvement includes the population of a new database of the film and video collection and photographing parts of the collection. This photography project is for the purposes of internal routing and the website.

What can you tell me about the arrangement of the collection in the depot?

From outside the depot is, of course, an architectural eyecatcher. Inside there will be a huge atrium crisscrossed by staircases, which will also be stunning. However, the depot’s round shape does present a challenge for the practical layout of the compartments. There is a massive benefit though, because soon the entire collection will be kept in one place in a first-class environment. In the various compartments, for example, there are five different climates, which are tailored to artworks made from different materials: metal, man-made substances, organic/inorganic materials, black-and-white photographs and colour photographs.

´We want to make the public more aware of the importance of properly maintaining a valuable art collection.´

Are preparations for the relocation underway?

Yes, we’re currently preparing the layout of the ‘positions’ (locations) of the objects in the depot. Every object is given a colour code at compartment level and a new location at object level. An object in the metal depot, for example, has colour code red, and its location could be rack 5, shelf 4 right. When the relocation takes place, the art transport people will know exactly where each work belongs. The way the collection is being organized depends, among other things, on material and size. In addition, we’re also working on arranging it on the basis of content. The paintings, for instance, will be kept on the second floor, which will have two large rings of painting storage racks. All old works will be in the inner ring and works dating from 1900 and later will be housed in the outer ring. This creates a splendid overview of developments in art history. Extra emphasis will be given to a few clusters, for example the Surrealist artworks will be grouped together. Other clusters include works on panel, which broadly speaking date from the fifteenth, sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. It moreover makes sense to hang these objects together because it simplifies the process of checking the condition of the wooden panels. While we are classifying the paintings on the grounds of chronology, for design we are using material and technique as the most important criteria when grouping objects.

One of Viktor&Rolf´s ´Van Gogh Girls´ is prepared for transport.
One of Viktor&Rolf´s ´Van Gogh Girls´ is prepared for transport.
Staff in the current depot.
Staff in the current depot.

Why is it so important to open the depot to the general public?

There have been a number of public debates about why so much art is currently stored in depots. As a rule, only eight to ten percent of a collection is exhibited in a museum’s public galleries. Works in a depot are out of bounds to the public. Only a small select group of art professionals are able to see them. We also had his problem. We have over 154,000 objects in our collection and it’s impossible for us to exhibit them all in the museum. The idea behind our new depot is that we want to show the whole collection and are able to do so. Every visitor, accompanied by a guide, can enjoy what we have in our depot. This is truly unique. It’s not possible anywhere else in the world.

What activities that currently take place behind the scenes will the general public be able to see in the depot?

The packing area of the current depot, for example, is concealed in the museum’s basement, but it will be visible from the entrance hall in the new one. There will be a glass wall through which visitors can observe how artworks are packed and unpacked. They’ll also be able to view a range of tasks associated with the artworks and keeping the storage areas clean.

Conservator at work. Photo: Lotte Stekelenburg.

What makes it so important for the general public to watch these activities? And what’s the idea behind this transparency?

What we actually want is to make the public more aware of the importance of properly maintaining a valuable art collection and the wide range of activities this involves. At the same time, we want to make the collection more visible and accessible. This also includes, for instance, vulnerable artworks that normally speaking are less likely to be exhibited in the museum.

Many museums are not satisfied if they only present art to the public visually. They think that visitors should experience all sorts of things. The depot is also planning to adopt this approach. Why does it have to be some sort of ‘experience’?

The underlying principle is that we want to make the collection open to everyone. Visitors can decide not to take a guided tour and walk through the atrium independently. Then they can look at what interests them, but we do want to encourage them to find out as much as possible about the collection and the care that’s taken to conserve it. We want to give every individual visitor a unique experience so that they feel a personal involvement.

How will visitors be able to find particular objects in the depot?

They’ll receive information from our collection registration system on a digital device. That device can also be used to search online information on the museum website. The idea is that people unearth information about the objects for themselves. Examples are short videos about restoring artworks or of a curator explaining something.

We currently receive many requests from people who would like to see a specific object. For example, someone might say, ‘My grandad gave the museum a work by Camille Pissarro. Could I take a look at it?’ When the depot’s operational we can say, ‘Of course, here it is.’ I think it’s a wonderful gesture that we can give everyone instant access to our entire collection. That’s a unique aspect of the depot project, and I’m very curious about how people will respond to it. I’m really looking forward to it.

Colour coding the ceramics collection.

Depot Journal

This article has been published before in Depot Journal #2 which is part of a series of six. If you would like to receive all the printed Depot journals by post, please send an email to info@boijmans.nl with your full name and address, reference ‘receive Depot Journals’.